JIEDDO beyond Afghanistan

JIEDDO beyond Afghanistan

The U.S. military’s lead general in charge of protecting troops from improvised explosive devices said Wednesday that he sees a future for his agency, the Joint IED Defeat Organization (JIEDDO), beyond 2014 after U.S. troops have left Afghanistan.

Some have questioned if JIEDDO will survive the specter of shrinking defense budgets and skepticism over the need for the agency without troops in Iraq and Afghanistan — the two theaters of war in which the IED became the enemy’s weapon of choice.

Lt. Gen. Michael Barbero, director of JIEDDO, told a crowd Wednesday at a Washington D.C. think that he has heard the questions about his agency’s future. He said he typically responds to questions about JIEDDO’s future beyond 2014 with a question of his own.


“I always tell people that’s the wrong question. The right question is is the IED, and the networks that employ them, here to stay? And they are. So if we have an enduring threat, do we require enduring capabilities? And that answer is obviously, yes,” Barbero said.

The U.S. has spent more than $20 billion on JIEDDO since it stood up in 2006. Insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan countered the U.S. military’s might with homemade bombs they hid near roadways and paths targeting units on patrols. It quickly became the weapon most feared by troops in the field.

By 2009, the IED accounted for about 60 percent of all U.S. fatalities in Afghanistan. JIEDDO officials have overseen the development of equipment and vehicles built to protect troops from the constantly evolving threat of IEDs. It has worked to build up the fleet of Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles as well as the robots that specialize in disarming explosives.

However, there are those who question whether JIEDDO is needed, and whether the services could better address the threat independently. JIEDDO received $2.4 billion in 2012. It has requested $1.9 billion budget for 2013. Some inside the Pentagon wonder if that money would be spent better elsewhere.

Deputy Defense Secretary Ash Carter has started a survey of the agencies stood up over the past decade in response to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Carter’s team is trying to assess which agencies should stay and which ones will disappear after 2014.

Barbero knows his agency’s existence is one under consideration. However, he knows he has the Pentagon’s support for the next two years.

“Over the next few months Carter has said we will work through this. But he has told us very clearly our mission, our resourcing, our focus, our support through 2014 remains unchanged and that is our focus,” Barbero said. “So more to follow on the future. My view is that there are certain problems and challenges that are best served with a joint response. And this is one of the them.”

Barbero explained that he receives plenty of requests for help from combatant commanders in places like Africa and South America. However, Afghanistan and Central Command receive the priority. Once troops leave Afghanistan, those other combatant commanders will receive more help from JIEDDO, Barbero said.

He’s not focused solely on roadside bombs either. Barbero knows his agency will face future sea-borne and airborne threats from enemies and must evolve.

“We need to look at the wide range of what is possible and start developing counter capabilities for it whether it is seaborne or in the air,” Barbero said.

The JIEDDO director insisted that the key to defeating the IED is attacking the networks that build them, specifically their funding sources. He said the U.S. must make it more expensive for the IED networks to build their bombs. Similarly, he acknowledged Congress’ open checkbook to defeat IEDs is closing.

“Their business model is crushing ours. So when I talk to my industry partners, I said that the days of us spending hundreds of billions of dollars on this, hundreds of millions on this, are over,” Barbero said. “We now have to be more effective and more efficient. Whatever we develop has to be expeditionary and has to apply in other regions other than Afghanistan.”

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the question is whether the threat is enduring, its whether the US response to the threat…the setting up of this office, was the right response. they failed mserably and its obvious that a new approach is needed.

Failed miserably???? Has the number of US casualties attributed to IEDs drastically diminished, yes. Has Jieddo been accomplishing their three missions, defeat the device, defeat the network, train the force: deploying troops are trained and retrained ad nauseum in TTPs to effectively mitigate the IED threat and a wide variety of innovative equipment solutions have been fielded including CREW devices, sparks mine rollers, rhinos, and ground penetrating radar to defeat IED devices, so yes we are training the force and yes we are defeating the device. As to whether or not they are defeating the network of suppliers, IED makers, and implanters are being defeated, probably, but hard data on that is difficult to come by.

Tried and failed isn’t success. What a disgrace.

But the real crime is that we put these losers into uniform to represent us.

Mr Hoffman, good story.

Looks like best way to do this is keep MRAPs and some armored HUMVEEs for ill-regular warfare situations in the future. Overall most potential future wars may be conventional so IED needs some research on this but not the whole budget.

I agree with Lance on this one. Keep some MRAP’s in storage because I’m sure we’ll get into another Dirt War some time and why have to pay for the same capability twice. I also agree that we need some research put into IED’s but 2 BILLION, I think not. Sounds like they got to big to quick and want to keep their funding, which could be better spent on other long term solutions.

“Losers” Non of our soliders are losers. Shame on you for saying this. JIEDDO, EOD, Route Clearance saved more lives this these 2 wars than any other division could claim. Is the 2 Billion worth it, maybe not, but these soliders derserve our thanks and gratitude.

JIEDDO, EOD, and Route Clearance should always be a part of our armed forces. If we throw these away now because we feel we will never see this threat again, then we are doomed to repeat it. All of our enemies know that IED’s are a great way to slow down the US Army monster. These will never go away.

” Is the 2 Billion worth it?” It all depends on your perspective — are you one of the soldiers who didn’t die?

Do we need an entire agency for this?

vehicles in storage and not used tend to decay but even so it makes mroe sense to store them than to toss them away. What’s needed is an analysis of the cost of storage vs building improved new vehicles if they are needed.

Trust me storage and upgrades is cheaper GCV is a waste of money.

Zak, our fleets in storage are very well maintained. We keep a few brigades worth of equipment on ships and in warehouses around the world so when we have to go to war we can just fall in on nearby equipment. Of the 3 brigades of the 3rd ID that invaded Iraq, 1 or 2 of them used equipment stored in Kuwait.

By that logic, a defense contractor can bilk the government for millions, sell super-expensive equipment with low pay-off, and after pocketing several hundred million dollars say “hey, talk to the one soldier who’s life I saved– it was worth it!” If you ask the commanders: “what would you rather have, more EOD teams or more theoretical experiments run out of FFRDCs?” I think you’ll start identifying what you can keep and what you can cut. To call the whole 2 billion a sacred cow because of its mission (to save lives) is ludicrous and short-sighted.

Storage for MRAP’s is needed, but so is a new GCV. Or a rethink of the current Styrker and Bradley’s armament. With the “New 40 MM CTWS gun in both manned & remote turrets should be seriously looked in too. With the Remote Turret for the Styrker & the 2 man Turret for the Bradley. The Bradley’s 25mm gun is under powered up against today’s modern threats, and Stryker needs a much bigger punch than the current 50 cal..
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Just look at Syria and you’ll see the IED is in use outside of AFG. But, that doesn’t mean JIEDDO is a valuable entity. JIEDDO, like ISRTOPOFF, doesn’t derive ot’s own data; but, they complie and plagerize other sources and call it their own. If the Services would allow their Agencies and organic assets do the job, JIEDDO could easily slip out of the picture. They draw the attention away from the orginators like a magician. Kill it and put the responsibility back on the soldiers who will need to serve their own.

If you want to break it down to a simple numbers game, a dead service member costs the government $400,000 in life insurance, plus whatever the costs are to recruit and train a replacement. There is also an intangible expense if that service member was experienced and had been in for many years. Case in point: early in the war the powers that be were slow in putting up barriers in the living areas of our base camps. Rocket attacks were regular, but random where they landed. One night a rocket hit a trailer and killed 7 men. Getting us the protection we wanted would have covered the cost of those deaths. A $1 million MRAP carrying 4 men only has to save its crew once to pay for itself.

I’m not saying $20 billion was all well spent, but you can look at the numbers from many different ways. I will admit I’ve felt embarrassed at times seeing how much we’ve spent on counter-IED equipment and then seeing our guys literally take a hundred IEDs off the street in a single raid on a warehouse which only cost us some hard work, intelligence gathering, and maybe a bribe or two.

“Non of our soliders are losers.” — Yea because turning up without both legs in one pants hole is now considered a win.

Sorry to break it to you bou cant win a war by trying to save your own life — loser culture is so enbedded over so many generations our military dosent even know what winning is anymore.

You are not thinking like they are. A problem with lots of press that cant be solved by the approach they are taking isnt a waste in buerocratic terms it is a recipie for increasing funding.

They are just scared that the other agencies are defining them out of the picture.

I have over 20 years EOD operational experience. I dealt with IEDs LONG before JIEDDO was a Congressional porker’s wet dream.

JIEDDO has but one mission; SPEND $. Period. The rest is propaganda.

If the NAVEODTECHDIV, AFRL, and ARL had been given proper authorities and resources with detailed Joint guidance from the MTAB and TTAB, I submit we would have had a far superior ROI over JIEDDO. We already had a process, it just wasn’t empowered or used properly for whatever nonsensical political reasons (maybe because the Navy was EA instead of the Army???) Rather, the DC answer was to stand up another bureaucracy and hire a bunch of contractors. Brilliant!

It sickens me to watch names added to the EOD Memorial, year after year, with JIEDDO attempting to take credit for any little advance made by folks who have been in the business a whole lot longer.

No, I’m tracking what you’re saying, and I’m not advocating breaking down soldiers into SGLI payments, but lets be real about what we’re paying for

I am amazed at the ill-informed commentary across the board here. Most of the folks commenting don’t actually know what JIEDDO does, has done or is doing.There are huge problems in JIEDDO. However, what is indisputable is the effect JIEDDO elements have had supporting direct and indirect attacks on the human networks that develop and employ IEDs–from the financiers, trainers, developers and emplacers. For far too long JIEDDO focused on trying to make things “not go boom” and that’s where a significant amount of money went. However, spend five minutes studying what has been deployed, what is being done and what the real effects are and you will quickly learn that lots of our tax dollars have paid big dividends.

The General (Barbero) is an extraordinarily intelligent warfighter. He needs to keep his job or we will pay in U.S. Soldier blood. I hope one thing he will do is develop a program where small companies can acquire small R&D funding packages. I personally know several brill

While I don’t agree with your tone, I do agree with your analysis: JIEDDO’s mission was and is to spend money. Rapid acquisition and testing, integration coordination, injection of these proof-of-concepts into the training cycle, and an eventual service hand-off if viable for long-term sustainment. Where In-Q-Tel serves as the Intelligence Community’s venture capital element, JIEDDO took the same tack with technology and intelligence programs, but serving more as a capability hedge fund for a relatively substantial slice of the defense budget.

NAVEODTECHDIV, AFRL, ARL, and the entire network of players each shared a problem that compounded itself rapidly after 9/11 — their acquisition capabilities were torturously slow, their operations were insular, and their end-products were routinely (and dangerously) incompatible. Where other elements spent 100 days securing a 100% solution as they were on the hook for O&M, JIEDDO could spend 30 days securing a 70% solution that had a two-year ticking clock to prove itself.

But, the question really is … was it worth it? Maybe. Though I can’t speak to what JIEDDO’s overall return on investment is, I believe that they have always done a relatively poor job of communicating that to Congress, their user communities, and the interested public. It sure would be nice to see some legitimate Measures of Performance and Effectiveness out of a $20B agency, no?

Probable the only Failure has been JIEDDO not asking end users what they need. JIEDDO spent millions of dollars on “cool guy” stuff that no one wanted. They millions of dollars on a trainer called the IED Battle Drill, a simulator . Two were purchased, one is now sitting in storage because the army and other services decided it was worthless. JIEDDO is a fine organization however they lost touch with a key factor in the IED fight, the end user, The soldier or marine who is on the ground fighting the fight

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